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November 9-10, 2018 | Storm

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I mentioned this period in the Nov 3-5 timeframe but don't want to muddy threads with crossover signals and data.

I even just saw a thread appear for this period but dissapear for I can only assume was a lack of explanation or info.

Since I have much of it prepared already I will lay it out...

The typhoon rule/EAR:

East Asia modeling is very volatile and it now appears that 97w will recurve on or around the 31st on the gfs and hardly at all on the euro 

here are 12z gfs and cmc loops along with 00z euro 

IMG_5047.GIF.817ae00505c95273ecaf3698ec7d3edc.GIFIMG_5048.GIF.298ad5bf236da98b572b1ebebd5fcf9e.GIFIMG_5049.GIF.6684a39e4a786908b2bf0ee7f7a208d9.GIF

 

BSR:

we see what appears as a miller b signal on the 8-9th

IMG_5050.GIF.4801feda912afea30b28ee1f39cea7d7.GIFIMG_5051.GIF.fb4ce05910dca7d8ebf7f9f316c1d772.GIF

 

Long range numerucal models:

tbe cfs and fim both show deep trough with energy rounding the bend.  The fim only goes to hr336 while the cfs is shown out to hr408

IMG_5025.thumb.PNG.0baa5e85fa89616090b8f7816d4c5b4d.PNG

 

IMG_5027.thumb.PNG.6112f81521830dd8393509a496f4925f.PNGIMG_5028.thumb.PNG.799fdf6684dcd16a161b9fe9c15fe296.PNGIMG_5029.thumb.PNG.2c11ae615d928a9f54e57593817a9286.PNGIMG_5026.thumb.PNG.8ef26343495ef873149b7e3256aa2810.PNG

The gfs tends to rush things in the longer range so I can only show the concept of the miller b type scenario it depicts around the 7th from 06z and 12z todayIMG_5053.PNG.500367a80ed9af7c36ae5f13407bec03.PNGIMG_5052.PNG.dbd572478bd156c48a8f42d68b927d91.PNG

Quite a similar look for being 348hrs out depicting ~the same 12 hour time frame 

This is simply another period to watch with signals from both the organic forecasting method and the long range numerical deterministic models.

I don't have access to Long range EPS but it is to my understanding that it also is akin to the suggestion of the other numerical models. Please do add if anyone can.

Discuss and discover.

cheers!

 

 

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Just now, Poconosnow said:

I mentioned this period in the Nov 3-5 timeframe but don't want to muddy threads with crossover signals and data.

I even just saw a thread appear for this period but dissapear for I can only assume was a lack of explanation or info.

sunce I have much of it prepared already I will lay it out

the typhoon rule:

east Asia modeling is very volatile and it now appears that 97w will recurve on or around the 31st on the gfs and hardly at all on the euro 

here are 12z gfs and cmc loops along with 00z euro 

IMG_5047.GIF.817ae00505c95273ecaf3698ec7d3edc.GIFIMG_5048.GIF.298ad5bf236da98b572b1ebebd5fcf9e.GIFIMG_5049.GIF.6684a39e4a786908b2bf0ee7f7a208d9.GIF

 

BSR:

we see what appears as a miller b signal on the 8-9th

IMG_5050.GIF.4801feda912afea30b28ee1f39cea7d7.GIFIMG_5051.GIF.fb4ce05910dca7d8ebf7f9f316c1d772.GIF

 

Long range numerucal models:

tbe cfs and fim both show deep trough with energy rounding the bend.  The fim only goes to hr336 while the cfs is shown out to hr408

IMG_5025.thumb.PNG.0baa5e85fa89616090b8f7816d4c5b4d.PNGIMG_5026.thumb.PNG.8ef26343495ef873149b7e3256aa2810.PNG

The gfs tends to rush things in the longer range so I can only show the concept of the miller b type scenario it depicts around the 7th from 06z and 12z todayIMG_5053.PNG.500367a80ed9af7c36ae5f13407bec03.PNGIMG_5052.PNG.dbd572478bd156c48a8f42d68b927d91.PNG

Quite a similar look for being 348hrs out depicting ~the same 12 hour time frame 

This is simply another period to watch with signals from both the organic forecasting method and the long range numerical deterministic models.

cheers!

 

 

@Poconosnow, i had created the thread, and was working on it  while it was locked.

But suddenly the thread dissapeared. I have no idea what happened. It just vanished. It's not even in the trash bin.... 

Very disapointing...

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1 minute ago, Phased Vort said:

@Poconosnow, i had created the thread, and was working on it  while it was locked.

But suddenly the thread dissapeared. I have no idea what happened. It just vanished. It's not even in the trash bin.... 

Very disapointing...

I deleted it since it was created and locked immediately prohibiting people from posting. No sense to create a thread with no information on it and prohibit people from discussing it.

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6 minutes ago, Phased Vort said:

@Poconosnow, i had created the thread, and was working on it  while it was locked.

But suddenly the thread dissapeared. I have no idea what happened. It just vanished. It's not even in the trash bin.... 

Very disapointing...

I wouldn't be dissapointed. I noticed the thread appear and then dissapear, and since I had a lot of the signaling and modeling saved I figured I'd post it. 

We should all open threads when we have a solid signal and info to layout.  I'm assuming it's all about form of the opening post where when a thread is opened, it should be clear and thorough in its description. 

Imho a thread has less to do about who opens it and more to do with the information provided.  Just a guess and is no different than how the old board functioned.  

Please do add anything and everything you have regarding this period.  It seems like another chance at an ecs.

 

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Just now, Poconosnow said:

I wouldn't be dissapointed. I noticed the thread appear and then dissapear, and since I had a lot of the signaling and modeling saved I figured I'd post it. 

We should all open threads when we have a solid signal and info to layout.  I'm assuming it's all about form of the opening post where when a thread is opened, it should be clear and thorough in its description. 

Imho a thread has less to do about who opens it and more to do with the information provided.  Just a guess and is no different than how the old board functioned.  

Please do add anything and everything you have regarding this period.  It seems like another chance at an ecs.

 

Will PM you. After all we will get off topic.

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40 minutes ago, Poconosnow said:

I mentioned this period in the Nov 3-5 timeframe but don't want to muddy threads with crossover signals and data.

I even just saw a thread appear for this period but dissapear for I can only assume was a lack of explanation or info.

Since I have much of it prepared already I will lay it out...

The typhoon rule/EAR:

East Asia modeling is very volatile and it now appears that 97w will recurve on or around the 31st on the gfs and hardly at all on the euro 

here are 12z gfs and cmc loops along with 00z euro 

IMG_5047.GIF.817ae00505c95273ecaf3698ec7d3edc.GIFIMG_5048.GIF.298ad5bf236da98b572b1ebebd5fcf9e.GIFIMG_5049.GIF.6684a39e4a786908b2bf0ee7f7a208d9.GIF

 

BSR:

we see what appears as a miller b signal on the 8-9th

IMG_5050.GIF.4801feda912afea30b28ee1f39cea7d7.GIFIMG_5051.GIF.fb4ce05910dca7d8ebf7f9f316c1d772.GIF

 

Long range numerucal models:

tbe cfs and fim both show deep trough with energy rounding the bend.  The fim only goes to hr336 while the cfs is shown out to hr408

IMG_5025.thumb.PNG.0baa5e85fa89616090b8f7816d4c5b4d.PNG

 

IMG_5027.thumb.PNG.6112f81521830dd8393509a496f4925f.PNGIMG_5028.thumb.PNG.799fdf6684dcd16a161b9fe9c15fe296.PNGIMG_5029.thumb.PNG.2c11ae615d928a9f54e57593817a9286.PNGIMG_5026.thumb.PNG.8ef26343495ef873149b7e3256aa2810.PNG

The gfs tends to rush things in the longer range so I can only show the concept of the miller b type scenario it depicts around the 7th from 06z and 12z todayIMG_5053.PNG.500367a80ed9af7c36ae5f13407bec03.PNGIMG_5052.PNG.dbd572478bd156c48a8f42d68b927d91.PNG

Quite a similar look for being 348hrs out depicting ~the same 12 hour time frame 

This is simply another period to watch with signals from both the organic forecasting method and the long range numerical deterministic models.

I don't have access to Long range EPS but it is to my understanding that it also is akin to the suggestion of the other numerical models. Please do add if anyone can.

Discuss and discover.

cheers!

 

 

Nice write up. Plenty of juicy potential and the back-to-back-to-back-etc. Nor'easters is awfully reminiscent of last spring. Will be fun to watch the next couple weeks unfold.

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1 hour ago, Poconosnow said:

I mentioned this period in the Nov 3-5 timeframe but don't want to muddy threads with crossover signals and data.

I even just saw a thread appear for this period but dissapear for I can only assume was a lack of explanation or info.

Since I have much of it prepared already I will lay it out...

The typhoon rule/EAR:

East Asia modeling is very volatile and it now appears that 97w will recurve on or around the 31st on the gfs and hardly at all on the euro 

here are 12z gfs and cmc loops along with 00z euro 

IMG_5047.GIF.817ae00505c95273ecaf3698ec7d3edc.GIFIMG_5048.GIF.298ad5bf236da98b572b1ebebd5fcf9e.GIFIMG_5049.GIF.6684a39e4a786908b2bf0ee7f7a208d9.GIF

 

BSR:

we see what appears as a miller b signal on the 8-9th

IMG_5050.GIF.4801feda912afea30b28ee1f39cea7d7.GIFIMG_5051.GIF.fb4ce05910dca7d8ebf7f9f316c1d772.GIF

 

Long range numerucal models:

tbe cfs and fim both show deep trough with energy rounding the bend.  The fim only goes to hr336 while the cfs is shown out to hr408

IMG_5025.thumb.PNG.0baa5e85fa89616090b8f7816d4c5b4d.PNG

 

IMG_5027.thumb.PNG.6112f81521830dd8393509a496f4925f.PNGIMG_5028.thumb.PNG.799fdf6684dcd16a161b9fe9c15fe296.PNGIMG_5029.thumb.PNG.2c11ae615d928a9f54e57593817a9286.PNGIMG_5026.thumb.PNG.8ef26343495ef873149b7e3256aa2810.PNG

The gfs tends to rush things in the longer range so I can only show the concept of the miller b type scenario it depicts around the 7th from 06z and 12z todayIMG_5053.PNG.500367a80ed9af7c36ae5f13407bec03.PNGIMG_5052.PNG.dbd572478bd156c48a8f42d68b927d91.PNG

Quite a similar look for being 348hrs out depicting ~the same 12 hour time frame 

This is simply another period to watch with signals from both the organic forecasting method and the long range numerical deterministic models.

I don't have access to Long range EPS but it is to my understanding that it also is akin to the suggestion of the other numerical models. Please do add if anyone can.

Discuss and discover.

cheers!

 

 

For this early in the season, it is amazing to see all of these signals, one after another. I hope as it turns colder, the pattern persists.

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EPS last frame today fwiw. Its lifting north at this time.

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Quick 18z update h5 and Miller b surface reflection

Closes off at 540 for a time

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@UTSwiinii proverb

"Watch 18z for changes and monitor future runs"

 

 

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18z fv3 gfs was intrestung enough to post 

H5

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Leads to this surface deouction

IMG_5132.thumb.GIF.3b0adab5b3ffe8701794b9dbe409627a.GIF 

The backing HP, though not strong is an ingredient we need to add a more wintery component as we move be through Nov

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These certainly have the look of rinse and repeaters

A couple pinches of salt and a bit of pepper and maybe we can cook something up :)

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@Poconosnow, we may have a major interfering factor for this time frame.

The situation over the tropcial Atlantic, seems to be wanting to become somewhat favorable or conducive for a tropical or sub tropical cyclone to develop and possibly track towards the east US coast. 

I will look more into into. But if a tropical cyclone indeed develops in this time frame and is near the coast, it would completely change this threads aspects and reasoning.

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Just now, Phased Vort said:

@Poconosnow, we may have a major interfering factor for this time frame.

The situation over the tropcial Atlantic, seems to be wanting to become somewhat favorable or conducive for a tropical or sub tropical cyclone to develop and possibly track towards the east US coast. 

I will look more into into. But if a tropical cyclone indeed develops in this time frame and is near the coast, it would completely change this threads aspects and reasoning.

With so many trofs and ridges departing and arriving over the Atlantic, there could be a chance that a tropical cyclone does not quite manage to recurve poleward, keep getting caught by consecutive rebuilding ridges, and could get reallyclose to the coast, asthe possible agent for this thread, is being delivered to the east coast.

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29 minutes ago, Phased Vort said:

@Poconosnow, we may have a major interfering factor for this time frame.

The situation over the tropcial Atlantic, seems to be wanting to become somewhat favorable or conducive for a tropical or sub tropical cyclone to develop and possibly track towards the east US coast. 

I will look more into into. But if a tropical cyclone indeed develops in this time frame and is near the coast, it would completely change this threads aspects and reasoning.

It would be another rare hurrucane if it were to occur

here us November 1-10 and November 11-20 climatology with origin and tracks 

IMG_5170.PNG.099ba03ebfbf9e0f5046010ab50c825c.PNGIMG_5171.PNG.c978cbc355b053cde51f48ed1e71d490.PNG

only a handful track near the east coast in the timeframe so conditions would need to be just right 

 

18z gfs, 12z cmc and 12z euro all recurve early while 18z fv3 gfs is the only model showing the wave develop and track close to the USA 

IMG_5173.thumb.PNG.3dd72c0d6303cd25ffddad40f44a959d.PNGIMG_5174.thumb.PNG.21e8687486fcd422187d30f79f52fa77.PNGIMG_5175.thumb.PNG.45814f656d1b879ae77c38ec149ad26d.PNGIMG_5176.thumb.PNG.aeb0426ac1b496fd57de3c737fe815b0.PNG

NHC forecast below 

weve seen rare hurricanes occur this year already but for now this thread is far enough away where it can still be used as intended and if a hurricane forms we can use a hurricane thread to follow it.  If it by chance wants to turn extratropical and hitch onto a mid lat trough I will make the necessary changes to title etc etc.  Long ways out to raise alarms just yet but updatedalk the same,  and shared info is always welcome in here!

thanks 😊

TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
800 PM EDT Thu Oct 25 2018

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

1. Shower activity associated with a low pressure system centered
about 1000 miles east-northeast of the northern Leeward Islands has
become more concentrated during the past several hours.  The low is
expected to move generally northward over the next couple of days
into an area where environmental conditions are forecast to be
conducive for further development, and a tropical or subtropical
storm is expected to form by early this weekend.  After that time,
the system is forecast to turn westward well to the north or
northeast of the Lesser Antilles through early next week.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...90 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...90 percent.

Additional information on this system can be found in High Seas
Forecasts issued by the National Weather Service, under AWIPS
header NFDHSFAT1, WMO header FZNT01 KWBC, and available on the Web
at https://ocean.weather.gov/shtml/NFDHSFAT1.shtml

Forecaster Beven
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The map below is frm thw East Asia rule, or the so called Typhoon rule. 

Doing a practice exercise here, with the EAR, even though it's a few days off from this thread's time frame. In the end it may not mean much, but a tropical cyclone appears on the map below for more or less this time frame. And sinc3, it's not a 1:1 correlation, I think it's worthwhile.

18_1104-00.gif.97884e9b250756d63821550de1660306.gif

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Just now, Poconosnow said:

It would be another rare hurrucane if it were to occur

here us November 1-10 and November 11-20 climatology with origin and tracks 

IMG_5170.PNG.099ba03ebfbf9e0f5046010ab50c825c.PNGIMG_5171.PNG.c978cbc355b053cde51f48ed1e71d490.PNG

only a handful track near the east coast in the timeframe so conditions would need to be just right 

 

18z gfs, 12z cmc and 12z euro all recurve early while 18z fv3 gfs is the only model showing the wave develop and track close to the USA 

IMG_5173.thumb.PNG.3dd72c0d6303cd25ffddad40f44a959d.PNGIMG_5174.thumb.PNG.21e8687486fcd422187d30f79f52fa77.PNGIMG_5175.thumb.PNG.45814f656d1b879ae77c38ec149ad26d.PNGIMG_5176.thumb.PNG.aeb0426ac1b496fd57de3c737fe815b0.PNG

NHC forecast below 

weve seen rare hurricanes occur this year already but for now this thread is far enough away where it can still be used as intended and if a hurricane forms we can use a hurricane thread to follow it.  If it by chance wants to turn extratropical and hitch onto a mid lat trough I will make the necessary changes to title etc etc.  Long ways out to raise alarms just yet but updatedalk the same,  and shared info is always welcome in here!

thanks 😊


TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
800 PM EDT Thu Oct 25 2018

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

1. Shower activity associated with a low pressure system centered
about 1000 miles east-northeast of the northern Leeward Islands has
become more concentrated during the past several hours.  The low is
expected to move generally northward over the next couple of days
into an area where environmental conditions are forecast to be
conducive for further development, and a tropical or subtropical
storm is expected to form by early this weekend.  After that time,
the system is forecast to turn westward well to the north or
northeast of the Lesser Antilles through early next week.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...90 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...90 percent.

Additional information on this system can be found in High Seas
Forecasts issued by the National Weather Service, under AWIPS
header NFDHSFAT1, WMO header FZNT01 KWBC, and available on the Web
at https://ocean.weather.gov/shtml/NFDHSFAT1.shtml

Forecaster Beven

Yes, it's indeed rare.I agree with that.

It's just that in the limbo over the tropical Atlantic, with so many riddges and trofs departing and building in, therr could just be a small chance that a tropical critter, tries to get near the coast.

Over on the tropical section, there's a thread for Invest95L active already, for what should be Oscar. Maybe it's this one that may be sneak.

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27 minutes ago, Phased Vort said:

The map below is frm thw East Asia rule, or the so called Typhoon rule. 

Doing a practice exercise here, with the EAR, even though it's a few days off from this thread's time frame. In the end it may not mean much, but a tropical cyclone appears on the map below for more or less this time frame. And sinc3, it's not a 1:1 correlation, I think it's worthwhile.

18_1104-00.gif.97884e9b250756d63821550de1660306.gif

The typhoon rule is basically used to predict a trough on the east coast based on the recurve of the typhoon. 

I was once told to think of the recurving typhoon as a hand holding a whip and as the hand recurves it sorta snaps the whip downstream possibly causing a trough and maybe cyclogenesis... (a snapshot of the rrwt while heights drop)

imho the presence of a typhoon on the east Asia map  has never been used as a correlate to Atlantic hurricanes.  

Forgive me if I come across  as skeptical, but there's been plenty of typhoons approaching Japan over the years that did not correlate to an Atlantic hurricane.  

I don't mind the excercise one bit but even if it were to possibly fall in the 6-10day lag time I'm not sure it would prove much as this specific tropical wave in the Atlantic is most likely bred from unorganized thunder showers in the eastern Atlantic Which wouldn't be near the correlation points that are initially assigned on Japan.

My thinking would be more along the lines that if an Atlantic hurricane happens to come close to the east coast 6-10d after a typhoon recurves in east Asia it's chances of being captured in a mid latitude trough that would be created would rise.  But The typhoon prescense would have nothing to do with the actual creation of the Atlantic hurricane.  We are talking about two different ocean basins and hurricanes are created by a while different atmospheric process than mid latitude troughs and storms.

Just my humble opinion and how I understand the current correlation of the different locations of recurring rissby wavetrain snapshots. 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Phased Vort said:

The map below is frm thw East Asia rule, or the so called Typhoon rule. 

Doing a practice exercise here, with the EAR, even though it's a few days off from this thread's time frame. In the end it may not mean much, but a tropical cyclone appears on the map below for more or less this time frame. And sinc3, it's not a 1:1 correlation, I think it's worthwhile.

18_1104-00.gif.97884e9b250756d63821550de1660306.gif

You are taking the "not 1:1 correlation" to the extreme. The #EAR is a pattern recognition tool. Dr. Lupo at Mizzou, co-author of the BSR/EAR, even cautioned about needing to be careful because it's a completely different scenario to talk about a pattern that encourages a CONUS hit vs claiming a tropical system will hit just like it showed up in East Asia or the Bering Sea.

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Just now, Poconosnow said:

The typhoon rule is basically used to predict a trough on the east coast based on the recurve of the typhoon. 

I was once told to think of the recurving typhoon as a hand holding a whip and as the hand recurves it sorta snaps the whip downstream possibly causing a trough and maybe cyclogenesis... (a snapshot of the rrwt while heights drop)

imho the presence of a typhoon on the east Asia map  has never been used as a correlate to Atlantic hurricanes.  

Forgive me if I come across  as skeptical, but there's been plenty of typhoons approaching Japan over the years that did not correlate to an Atlantic hurricane.  

I don't mind the excercise one bit but even if it were to possibly fall in the 6-10day lag time I'm not sure it would prove much as this specific tropical wave in the Atlantic is most likely bred from unorganized thunder showers in the eastern Atlantic Which wouldn't be near the correlation points that are initially assigned on Japan.

My thinking would be more along the lines that if an Atlantic hurricane happens to come close to the east coast 6-10d after a typhoon recurves in east Asia it's chances of being captured in a mid latitude trough that would be created would rise.  But The typhoon prescense would have nothing to do with the actual creation of the Atlantic hurricane.  We are talking about two different ocean basins and hurricanes are created by a while different atmospheric process than mid latitude troughs and storms.

Just my humble opinion and how I understand the current correlation of the different locations of recurring rissby wavetrain snapshots. 

 

 

 

Just now, jdrenken said:

You are taking the "not 1:1 correlation" to the extreme. The #EAR is a pattern recognition tool. Dr. Lupo at Mizzou, co-author of the BSR/EAR, even cautioned about needing to be careful because it's a completely different scenario to talk about a pattern that encourages a CONUS hit vs claiming a tropical system will hit just like it showed up in East Asia or the Bering Sea.

Great information and discussion. Thanks for that. 

Very interesting and fascinating.

This freedom to exercise, experiment and still receive a plethora of rich information, only contributes to enrich this forum experience to all of us posters and lurkers.

Let's see how it goes.

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IMG_5254.GIF.feabd67c20ed43fa96429f105acb48c3.GIF

not necessarily a miller b but ya, 12z gfs has a lil sumpin

notice a tropical remnant feeding the moisture transport from the Atlantic 

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This timeframe has my attention... could be interesting for some folks if we can get a solid cold air source. GFS (operational) has been showing cooler temps beginning to return around this time period, and CPC Week 3/4 forecast has below-average temperature anomalies painted over New England. At any rate, something to watch for sure, continuing the active pattern. Plenty of LRC fuel for a month or two down the road.

 

The active pattern, I mean. There is no reason to think specific storms will recur, but even the recurrence of such a pattern has me excited.

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25 minutes ago, TheDayAfterTommorow said:

This timeframe has my attention... could be interesting for some folks if we can get a solid cold air source. GFS (operational) has been showing cooler temps beginning to return around this time period, and CPC Week 3/4 forecast has below-average temperature anomalies painted over New England. At any rate, something to watch for sure, continuing the active pattern. Plenty of LRC fuel for a month or two down the road.

Re: LRC fuel 

did Gary lezak set his cycle length or something? Even if he did how do we know the nov 7-10 storm is his signature system...

be careful when observing and applying the lrc.  It's acts separately from the bsr or ear.

they are both children of the idea of recurring rossby waves but are Inherently different.  Lrc sets a cycle length while the bsr and ear are point correlated snapshots of the atmosphere. I don't want to get too off topic but I'm a believer that more than one harmony exists in the recurring waves and that storms dont necessarily "return" on a certain Amount of days.  Instead there are overlapping harmonies to the flow.  

The best way to view how major and minor harmonies overlap was to view a pendulum wave video 

Hopefully this helps show the intricate nature of waves and cycles and harmonies. Viewing a video like this years ago was what started my interest into recurring rossby waves and how they exist all over our atmosphere and even in our oceans.  Once you can see rossby waves you can make more sense of kelvin waves on our atmosphere and oceans.  These waves exists all the way From rippling against and disrupting our stratosphere to traveling and reflecting off coastlines sparking enso swings.  Google is your friend, keep up the research! Cheers 🙂

 

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